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Posted on 21/10/19 5:01:14 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
But he came back to do a new one when it was sunny again. 
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Posted on 22/10/19 11:39:52 AM |
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tooquilos
Wizard of Oz Posts: 2898 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
http://vimeo.com/367949626 I did enjoy this one. I started with the original image it wasn't working for me, regardless of what I did..so I rebuilt it according to the original (somewhat!) Steve, the image of the hand drawn sketch..is that on a ceramic plate because I was wondering why it had cracks all over it.  _________________ Wicked Witch of the West:I'll get you, my pretty! And your little dog, too! |
Posted on 22/10/19 12:11:16 PM |
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GKB
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Had to stop tinkering with this as I kept thinking of additions. 
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Posted on 22/10/19 1:56:59 PM |
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Ant Snell
Specular Specialist Posts: 566 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
When I came to upload this I noticed a couple of painting related images but I had not seen them before I started. Great minds think (Cheat) alike. 
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Posted on 22/10/19 3:39:17 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Yes it's one those 'go on fiddling' forever images if you are not careful. 
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Posted on 22/10/19 3:48:34 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Curious to know why? I wouldn't have thought that the move was significant enough for the the 2D nature of the original to become apparent or problematic - so I presume there must have been some other aspect that wasn't working for you. It's lovely anyway.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 22/10/19 4:03:18 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
My painter was just a quick joke in response to Ben's painting. It's not well done. It proved amazingly hard to find or create a painter in stockings and breeches and the only one I could find had a perspective so extreme that it was nigh on impossible to distort his perspective to fit. You have very cleverly got around this by putting things in a modern (relatively) setting. It also gives the freedom to re-create less literally and slavishly. I really like this!  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 24/10/19 4:52:11 PM |
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Eva Roth
Luminous Liberator Posts: 269 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
The restauration work at the back is still on-going.. starting point was the drawing, not the photo  |
Posted on 24/10/19 8:10:44 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
You have managed to almost make the drawing photographic. I love the fact that it manages to be both real and illustration at the same time. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 24/10/19 8:36:01 PM |
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michael sinclair
Off-Topic Opportunist Posts: 1864 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Gordon and Anna excellent! 
Just a two-hour jobby tonight. The first image is the original Rialto bridge As usual wait for it to "initialise" and "smooth-out" 
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Posted on 25/10/19 07:07:57 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3059 Reply  |
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Posted on 25/10/19 08:31:20 AM |
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Steve Caplin
Administrator Posts: 7025 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
First to restore the gateway was DavidMac, with a high degree of accuracy: a near perfect reproduction of the illustration. The added buildings are a very close match. (Although I think you’re misinterpreting the building on the far left: my guess is that the structure with the small sloping roof and the door on the right is in a line with the archway, the door accessed by a walkway on top of it; that the blank section of the wall to the left of the gate is in fact curved, possibly containing a spiral staircase to access that door; and that the lower roof is suspended over an open space below it.) Pretty dull? Not at all. Although of course the second entry adds a much-needed human element, and a beautifully imagined one at that. More marching horses from michael sinclair, never one to let the brief get in the way of doing the same thing he always does; and the second entry is a nice elaboration on the theme. It’s certainly very well achieved, Michael, and there is an archway in the image, but don’t you get bored with replicating the same technique week after week? The point of the Friday Challenge is to encourage you to try new ideas and approaches - and, as the name implies, new challenges. Up to you, of course, but I think you’re missing the point. (I enjoyed your Rialto Bridge image, but I’m not sure what it’s doing in the Friday Challenge.) An appealing pen and ink drawing from Ben Mills, convincingly achieved and nicely cut out. I like the technique here. At the risk of being pedantic, though, I don’t think pen and ink artists would draw on canvas. And I liked DavidMac's response to your post. A wholly reconstructed view from tooquilos, resulting in a rather grander edifice altogether. The slow tracking shot at the beginning of the animated version is excellent, and I really like the made-up view inside - that 3D well adds a lot of depth to the scene. And I greatly enjoyed the final scene showing how it was all put together. Did you remodel the whole archway, then? And to answer your question: the sketch was on an enamel plaque in front of the gateway. The craquelure effect is interesting, isn’t it. An accurate reconstruction from GKB, and I really like all the added detail: the cart on the left, the chickens, the smoke from the chimney (although I think that might be a slightly premature appearance of the tricolour). Best of all are the cart tracks leading through the arch, which really draw you into the scene. Superb shadows, too. Really terrific work, Gordon. Another artist at work, this time from Ant Snell: And that’s a very fine reconstruction, even down to raising the tower on the right to the correct height (a feat which defeated both Gordon and DavidMac). I find it interesting that you choose to hide all the hard work on the reconstruction in such a small part of the final image - but the result is spectacular. Excellent, Ant. Ingenious work from Eva Roth, who has recoloured elements from the drawing and inserted them into the photograph, to outstanding effect. Adding new roofs makes all the difference. Eva, this is such a clever approach, and one that works amazingly well. Many congratulations! (Small grammatical point: “restoration” is restoring buildings, “restauration” is the French for “catering”.) I like how Mariner has turned the archway to view it from a different angle - which meant constructing the inside of the arch, among other complexities. It’s not an exact copy of the sketch, but an interpretation of how the space could work; and those people add a human scale. Very appealing, Michael. My only query is with the open ironwork of the gate: the top is behind the stone arch (or it couldn’t open); but the bottom then seems to be in front of it. A fraction shorter would do the trick. |
Posted on 25/10/19 09:21:52 AM |
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Eva Roth
Luminous Liberator Posts: 269 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Thanks for your praise, Steve. What a classic Freudian slip. I thought I typed restoration… unless, of course, they are still preparing meals in the building behind the gate… |
Posted on 25/10/19 09:26:37 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3059 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Oops! I missed that. Thanks Steve. |
Posted on 25/10/19 10:05:27 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5668 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
You don't seem to have missed much else! I suspect the slight change of angle is a lot harder than it looks at first sight. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 25/10/19 10:32:04 AM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
I am quite sure I am misinterpreting it. It is full of ambiguities. I started with something very close to what you are saying and couldn't really get it to work convincingly - one problem being that what looks as if might be a round tower has a square roof. In the end I just decided to simply do something that made sense on it's own even if it didn't reflect the drawing as completely as it might. This is also why I didn't extend the tower. Parallax would dictate that if the artist was a lot further back from the gate than you (on a longer lens so to speak) and a little higher, which looks to be the case from the perspective of the top of the right hand wall, then the tower would be less obscured by the foreground arch and would appear higher. Since we had to supply the missing parts from the picture within the context of the photo it seemed better to respect the photo in respect of this. And if not ............. well, it's a half way decent excuse which I hope to get away with. Or, since you have taken to criticising grammar as well this week, "with which I hope to get away". 
And thanks Steve for a genuine puzzler ........ it's good to stretch new muscles. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 25/10/19 11:34:20 AM |
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GKB
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Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Thanks Steve _________________ Always remember that you are unique - just like everyone else. |
Posted on 25/10/19 2:09:10 PM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3059 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Yes, it was a hard challenge. I couldn't find a sunlit arch from the right angle so I had to light up a shaded one. Not for the faint hearted. |
Posted on 26/10/19 02:14:42 AM |
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tooquilos
Wizard of Oz Posts: 2898 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Thank you Steve. Yes, I rebuilt the entire archway and background.
David, primarily it was because i wanted a night scene and in the original there are too many hard light shadows. I spent hours trying to remove them then gave up. And then I had to think of how I would animate it...so taking all that into account, it was just easier to rebuild it to the best of my ability and work with that. _________________ Wicked Witch of the West: I'm melting! I'm melting! |
Posted on 26/10/19 07:36:08 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5668 Reply |
Re: Challenge 778: The gateway at Surgeres
Hadn't thought about that aspect. Makes sense. Thanks. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
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