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Posted on 24/05/26 2:26:54 PM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
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Posted on 24/05/26 2:32:40 PM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
 _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 24/05/26 8:07:14 PM |
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Ant Snell
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Posted on 25/05/26 01:29:45 AM |
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vibeke
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Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Some lovely imaginative work, as always. I spent a lot of time fiddling with mine. Adding bits and taking them away again. Some use of Rotate and Harmonize. I did use AI to change the photo of the food to look more like it had been painted.  saatchi-stairs 5 by Vibeke Friis, on Flickr
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Posted on 25/05/26 09:54:08 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6244 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Oh Dwindt! You wretch! I've just put in a lot of time on (an unfinished) Escher too. Not yet even sure if it's going to work ...... we shall see. By the way yours is very clever. Good to see you poking your usual fun at things Ant! I'm in slow mode today Vibeke. Took me a moment to catch on that it was a tagger. God knows why. It's clear enough! In the end it was the security man who tipped me off. He's a really nice touch. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 25/05/26 11:53:25 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Thank you David. Please submit it when done. When I saw the brief image, I thought of you straight away. It's right in your wheelhouse. I wanted to do more but it just started freaking my mind out. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 25/05/26 4:17:46 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6244 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
What I had in mind was something terribly simple but it quite simply didn't work. It required the perspective to be close to an orthogonal projection and that quite simply wasn't possible with the elements from the fairly wide angle photo with its pronounced converging parallels. When I distorted them to become more parallel the result just became grotesque and ...... um .......... well ......... distorted! 
Having played with this a lot makes me realise now just how very cleverly you have put yours together! You have managed to exploit the existing perspective instead of fighting it, which is what I ended up doing. Hat off to you Dennis! 
For some reason (not quite sure what) I find the second, rotated version much more persuasive. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 25/05/26 4:37:37 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1084 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Thanks David. It was a beast in disguise. Had I have flipped the image before posting the 1st, I would have only submitted the 2nd image. I lost it on the railing shadow. Now that is staring at me every time I look at it. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 26/05/26 12:12:02 PM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3545 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Interesting work Dennis... I also prefer the second image. |
Posted on 26/05/26 12:13:51 PM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3545 Reply |
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Posted on 26/05/26 3:43:34 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1084 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
 _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 27/05/26 08:22:49 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6244 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Loyd I like that you are playing with different layers and views of the stair itself. Dennis I puzzled over yours for a long time. I kept trying to fit all the different art together and couldn't make any sense of it. Then I opened up the image for larger viewing and there I found the filename in the image border and all made sense!
The trolley made from the original architecture is a very sweet touch. Quite a bit of work making that. Since you have been agonising over shadows this week I will very gently point out that you have another reason (or lack of) to agonise under the trolley.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 27/05/26 3:13:55 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1084 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Hello David. The lighting and shadows in this image were really difficult to work out. Periodically, I like to test my artistic abilities manually, in PS, without resorting to my 3D software. Your valid critique is always appreciated. Although I'm not quite sure which of the many shadows you are referring to, it did get me thinking, believing I had slipped somewhere; therefore, I set-up a basic environment to simulate the room. Due to the light entering the room being diffused lighting, I used 2 plains as big as the window and door, placed them outside the relative opening and added an emissive light to each. I coloured the emissive light coming through the window blue and the light coming through the door yellow. Both shelf and trolley don't cast shadows below them due to the diffused lighting coming from 2 different sources. Instead, there is diffused shadow occupying various expected regions in the room. One thing I am aware of, is that I submitted an image that is lighter than I would have liked, to enable the viewer could see what was in the room.  _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 27/05/26 3:15:04 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1084 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Should this be a small room, secondary light would bounce off the walls adjacent to the window and door illuminating all objects within, to the relevant degree. Were it a bigger room, the diffused lighting would be darker than demonstrated by the 3D render, due to less light bouncing within. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 27/05/26 9:05:32 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6244 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
Dennis you are getting far too complicated! Your render is spot on ...... except for one thing ...... My interpretations can be just as often subjective as objective. In this case it's both and it's dead simple and uncomplicated. In your original ThievesDen, as posted, the trolley is completely without shadow of any kind beneath it. It's entirely lacking contact visually with the surface upon which it stands. In real terms that is inconceivable - there would inevitably be general soft shadowing of some kind and definitely contact shadows from the wheels, especially as it's backlit. Was the trolley perhaps added post render? This would seem to be the obvious explanation. However, in the last darker version the same problem still exists, although less startlingly obvious, as everything is now so dark in that area ....... but it still has no real shadow contact with the floor. Sorry Dennis. It's a great image but, in this one aspect, all my instincts are screaming oooooooops! _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 27/05/26 9:09:08 PM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3545 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
David – I became stumped for something to do, and then thought of a ‘fine-art photographer’ wanting to have a record of his work being displayed at Saatchi. This is his image: 
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Posted on 27/05/26 11:05:36 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1084 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
I'll lighten the image so that you can study it better to get us both on the same page. You can't see the floor. Maybe you're confusing the covenant, 10 commandments, Hercules and the hind quarters of Marcus' horse, or the block his statue is mounted on. 
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Posted on 28/05/26 01:34:39 AM |
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tooquilos
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Posted on 28/05/26 01:35:47 AM |
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tooquilos
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Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
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Posted on 28/05/26 08:46:58 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6244 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1106: Space at the Saatchi
OMG Dennis! The penny has finally dropped …. with an almighty clang! Dennis I owe you a HUGE apology. This is really embarrassing. I managed to completely and utterly misinterpret your image. I now see that what I took to be a trolley is in fact a small balcony below the door and the floor level is lower than I had realised. What I took to be rather odd wheels are security cameras. The terrible thing is that it’s one of those things that, once seen, you cannot un-see. I cannot now imagine how I could ever have perceived it as anything other than the balcony it is over a floor some way below. Even worse I picked up on the floor and railings and even commented how cute that you had repeated them on the trolley! I shall now put on a pointy hat with a D on it and go and stand in the corner.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
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