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Posted on 21/09/26 10:20:30 PM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Lovely David. I know just what you mean. I too have spent far too much time on creating a split image for this challenge. I, however, used the original image as is and cut away the floor revealing a small control room beneath. Well done, David! _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 21/09/26 10:47:34 PM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Done at last!  _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 22/09/26 00:07:19 AM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3816 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
That's great Dennis... amazing! The characters are perfect! 
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Posted on 22/09/26 00:25:26 AM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3816 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
When I first read David's comment about "Eagle Cutaway", I wanted to make one. Mind you, I can't recall ever trying to make a cutaway before, and I have had absolutely zero alternate ideas for other entries since then. My attempt pales in comparison to everyone's entries, but it was fun to make... 
It's so small as an animation, that I have included a screenshot: 
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Posted on 22/09/26 07:59:35 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6608 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Well that's interesting Dennis. You've used an approach I quickly abandoned because of the very downward looking view on listeners. The only things I could find were office workers, which I think is what you have may have used, but I was trying to force myself to keep it more army and more tech. It's very, very well done, but I would have expected you to model the basement. I am presuming you must have found and used a 2D overhead view because if you had modelled it you would have matched the perspective above and below ground. I have a feeling that Steve post produced his photo to create parallel verticals (or took great care when photographing). That makes for a lovely clean architectural view. However, it is hard to cope with if you want a downward view as well, because parallel verticals imply a perfectly horizontal camera. This is what caused me such headaches and caused me to 'lower' the camera. What you have done is extremely clever because, although technically the basement perspective is way off relative to above ground (completely different rotation and vanishing points) you've managed to somehow pull it off subjectively so well that it doesn't really ring any alarm bells!! My brainy bits can see it's all off and why ....... but the rest of me doesn't mind and accepts it completely! I think most people would accept it without question. Damn!!! _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 22/09/26 08:04:34 AM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
The hole works very well Dennis. I really like the feeling that there's no proper heating down below and they are dressed to keep warm. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 22/09/26 09:19:26 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Thanks David. Yes, very tricky perspective. With the viewpoint being almost central in the brief image of the room, the height perspective lines are almost parallel 2-point perspective. Not as evident as the perspective to the right and into the distance...but...the higher or the lower we go, the greater the impact the disappearing point will have on an image, as the eye now registers the reducing of size the further from the viewpoint we go. My lower-level disappearing point is out of position to. This was a difficult challenge. It appears as though you kept your height and depth in 2-perspective. You would have found it difficult to avoid. By dropping the viewpoint, the relative parallel height perspective of the original brief image has fixed the 2-point perspective in your image. The disadvantage is that it has made your floor look bent. A stunning image though, evidence of a great deal of work and brainstorming. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 22/09/26 12:56:00 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6608 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Yes of course. By preserving the parallel verticals of Steve's picture I was forcing myself into a two point perspective. This was a conscious choice because it was also best for a split image that was divided across its (sort of, vaguely) horizontal axis. The difficulty, of course, is that, although it looks reasonably acceptable, two point is a theoretical draughtsman's perspective which doesn't happen in real life, so it can come at a perceptual cost in other areas. I could have done so many other simpler things Dennis but, like you, I like to challenge myself. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 23/09/26 07:25:18 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
An understanding of Orthographic & Isometric projection and perspective and the practice of them to deliver what you have, is a remarkable challenge, David. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 23/09/26 08:30:24 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6608 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
I studied engineering drawing at school to advanced level. Although I never needed it directly, it has proved one of the most generally useful skills I ever acquired. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 23/09/26 09:45:29 AM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3816 Reply |
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Posted on 23/09/26 09:48:51 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6608 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Armour with ears!! That's fun. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 23/09/26 09:57:26 AM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
I bought this when I was in my early twenties and kept and used it into my seventies. I continued to often use it long after I had acquired digital skills, for the sheer tactile pleasure of drawing that way. Sorry Steve .... rambling again. In the end it had to go when we moved to a smaller apartment and I could no longer accommodate it. I gave to a garden designer who loved to still work by hand.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 23/09/26 8:50:32 PM |
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dwindt
Realism Realiser Posts: 1219 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
So did I, David. One of the matrics noticed my line work when I was in std 8. He told me I had to do his free hand machine drawing for TD homework. I got him a great mark. One could say I passed std 10 higher grade machine drawing in std 8...lol. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 23/09/26 9:10:04 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
We spend a lot of time and effort choosing and studying in our teenage years what we hope will be useful for our future years and, more times than not, I think, our lives actually follow a path quite unexpected and unplanned.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 24/09/26 07:14:20 AM |
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Tom
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Larger version here. 
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Posted on 24/09/26 4:49:59 PM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3453 Reply  |
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Posted on 24/09/26 8:38:09 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 6608 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
Michael your images always have a very reasoned back story, but I am lost here. Not sure if the blocked chimney sign has any significance. Nigel as a duped officer is only too easy to believe. The decorative and possibly gay young man on the sofa escapes me completely. Craig is Bond I presume? I'm probably being very dumb, but I can't put it all together. That being said it's all been done in typically meticulous Mariner manner (even to matching chair covers). Very nice! _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 25/09/26 05:17:06 AM |
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Mariner
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
David, I finished this FC on Tuesday morning, except for a couple of soldiers, so what to do for the next few days? Ben wrote "...Not much point installing listening gear in Photoshop - if we can see it, so could the Germans." I didn't want to copy you guys and add a big, ugly "Eagle Cutout" to a perfectly good picture. So, what to do? Well, first I covered the distant sofa so it matched the others. Then I found someone suitable and put him on it. I know he looks queer, but I couldn't find any suitable images of WW2 German soldiers lying or sitting down. Then I stood a soldier nearby and added Daniel Craig's head. I put Farage in an armchair and made him look German. His wife is German, you know. Finally, reluctantly, I added a table and put a dictograph on it. The blocked chimney sign was meaningless, just me passing time. There you go, David. Yet another pointless "Silly Season" picture. I am glad you appreciated the work which went into renovating a drab, low-res photograph. That was the fun part. |
Posted on 25/09/26 07:55:06 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Challenge 1123: Listening in
First to listen in this week was Ben Boardman with a splendid cutaway illustration. I love the detail of the earth and rusty pipes, and those German officers are exactly right (wherever did you find them?). Technically we shouldn’t be seeing the ceiling of the underground room, but I’ll accept the perspective mismatch for the sake of clarity. A terrific groups of engineers in the installation entry, complete with floor plans. Absolutely convincing (if the people are perhaps a touch on the large side). Love this one. I totally get lwc's Myna bird, but is the big-eared hare able to repeat what it hears? The big-eared sculpture is fun. Not sure about the zooming in and out, the static image is less disturbing. I like the cutaway floor, but must point out the perspective mismatch between the side shelf underground and the wall above. Still very fine, though. Does the sujit of armour have a listening man inside it? That’s very subtle motion in the animated version! No perspective issues from DavidMac, with a glorious cast of characters both above and below. I literally can’t imagine how you rebuilt the room to show this angle, or indeed found so many perfect characters in the basement. The lighting is beautiful, and what a wealth of detail there is here. Amazing work. A very fine cast of Germans, too. I wonder if Rotate Object would prevent the man at the back from looking as if he’s balancing on one leg? Altogether an amazing effort. Despite the three typos in the caption. An extraordinary viewpoint from dwindt – did you have to model that underground room from scratch? And place all the props? Truly extraordinary. I’m very impressed. I’m sure even the most astute German officer would fail to spot Tom's cleverly hidden microphone. It took me a while to spot it. Gorgeous lighting, although logically the shadow could only be larger than the microphone if the light source is just outside the window (that is, much closer than the sun). Renovated furniture from Mariner, with a curious cast of characters: I’m trying to imagine the connection between Daniel Craig and Nigel Farage, and - German wife notwithstanding - why they should be in German uniforms. And who is the louche underdressed chap in the background? Outstanding work this week. Top marks all round. |
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