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Posted on 04/12/14 10:24:48 PM |
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Min
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Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Hi everyone My first attempt at the Challenge after joining the site a couple of weeks ago. Some brilliant work on here!  |
Posted on 04/12/14 11:00:10 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5777 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
This could be interpreted as an opposite possible future to my own ...... _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/12/14 11:05:09 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5777 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Interesting ........ you are one of the only people to place this terrace firmly at ground level. And, for my money, you've pulled it off!  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/12/14 11:08:09 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5777 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Oh! I forgot to say .... welcome!! _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/12/14 11:12:00 PM |
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brewell
Pixel Pentagrammarian Posts: 752 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Emmett ignored his dad's yelling - he could just wait his turn.  _________________ The journey of a thousand hours begins with a single layer. |
Posted on 05/12/14 01:17:53 AM |
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Artwel
Satire Supremo Posts: 607 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Steve went to Lanzarote and all I got was this lousy postcard.. Hi_res= http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/Artwel/library/PShop  |
Posted on 05/12/14 04:35:05 AM |
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srawland
Pixel Perfectionist Posts: 885 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
I didn't like the way the falling ballerina looked, so I'm trying this again.  _________________ I'm still learning. |
Posted on 05/12/14 04:36:12 AM |
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srawland
Pixel Perfectionist Posts: 885 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Welcome Min! _________________ I'm still learning. |
Posted on 05/12/14 05:33:28 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3124 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Hi Min, and welcome! You have made a very good start. Michael |
Posted on 05/12/14 09:22:34 AM |
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Steve Caplin
Administrator Posts: 7047 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
A fine view from Eva Roth started this week's views, with that boat just visible through the railings giving a real sense of height and distance - and I like the way the view fades off into the distant sky. The idea of an animated version sounds great - but, er, that link you've given is a local one to the file's location on your own computer. You'll need to upload it somewhere so we can see it! A terrific extraterrestrial view from Ant Snell, looking over an alien landscape. The planet behind those pink clouds looks most appealing. But if it's night time, where's all the light coming from? I like the view captured on the iPhone, though. ...and a cartoonish version of the same scene from GKB, with a bunch of little green men peering out over a surprisingly close Earth. Same comment: where's all the light coming from if it's a night shot? If the Sun is on the left, as the shading on the Earth implies, shouldn't the same shadows apply on the planet's surface? Neat work from Nick Curtain, who has integrated a view of Dorset into the scene with a great feel for the colours and tone of the landscape. Personally, I'd have brought the horizon down a little. I like the seagull, though, adding a good foreground focus on the left. A great social comment from Garfield72: no matter how spectacular the view, people are more interested in taking pictures of themselves. Some strong shadows of the people on the ground in front of them - but that would mean the landscape would be in shadow, as it would be lit from the other side. A very low horizon from Frank, with a cyclist taking time out to admire the view (as well she might, having cycled all the way up there). But could the horizon be as low as that, given that I was clearly standing when I took the photograph? Eyeline, Frank! A "gift on a plate" from DavidMac... well, yes, of course. Someone had to do it! A glorious second entry, showing the abandonment of the viewing point and the drying-up of the sea beneath. A fantastic view, from the rusting boats to the beautifully rusted telescope and destroyed railing... I really like the fact that some of the blue of the telescope is still showing through. Plenty of great detail, too, including the camels walking through the landscape. A glorious image, despite the fact that the horizon is way too high. I like the way Mariner's view matches the colours of the foreground, producing a very pleasing and convincing effect. And is that actually Lanzarote? It seems like it could well be. My only issue is with that object in the foreground, whose perspective doesn't match the rest of the scene: look at the foot plate on the telescope, which shows us very much looking down on it. I can't imagine where Tomiloi found that shot of me holding a 3D-printed bath plug - I've never seen that photo before! But who is the curious woman with the big hair and not much else? A great landscape in the background, if the horizon is perhaps rather high. Good to see you back, Thomas. Linda Eckert is the first to put people on the telescopes, and the fit is very good - as is the view over the harbour beyond. Very good matching of tone, and that tree top right frames the image neatly. Not sure about the dog: isn't it rather too high? Another social comment from Vibeke, with a group of people totally ignoring the spectacular view - one intent on his phone, the other two photographing themselves. A great idea, very well executed: but isn't that horizon rather too high for the scene? A magnificent view of mountains and lakes from Ben Mills, and I like the way it fades into the distance. Once again, though, I feel that horizon is just too high; it makes the telescopes look far too low. An extraordinary skull cliff from tooquilos, with a splendid waterfall and an intriguing light on the clifftop castle. What a very powerful scene this is... beautiful. I like the way the story in the animated version is told through text (and a rather beautiful script font, at that). The fading mist, and the water and lighting effects, are terrific - especially in the scene with the close-up view of the castle. What a great story! I have to admit, when I saw the skull I braced myself for a dose of heavy metal, and Puccini came as something of a relief! Great action from James, as a girl steps up to the telescope only to be frightened off by an approaching eagle. A splendid range of movement. But when the girl's standing on the plate, is she missing a hand? A clever close-up of the telescope and railing from Emy, which allows room for a much larger landscape shot. And a very fine view it is, over the harbour. Is that really Lanzarote? It could well be, given the narrowness of the land - I like the fact that we can see the sea on the far side as well. I like michael sinclair's view over the looming Queen Mary, appearing suitably huge in the scene.The horizon, though, seems impossibly low given our view of the railing; it may be the original from behind the ship, but it no longer fits the scene. I like the seagull, but perhaps dead centre isn't the strongest position for it. A strong second entry, too, if a touch too HDR for my taste. I don't think such a low barrier would satisfy health and safety requirements! A good direction on the shadows, though. Terrific storm in the third entry - nice work here! A very beautiful winter scene from LonnieK, with falling snow and a wintry landscape. I like this a lot, although it's a little odd to place a viewing platform at ground level! One point: the snow on the railing should flow more smoothly over the railing posts, rather than hugging the contour so exactly, or it looks more like paint than snow. Good to see you back, Lonnie! A very convincing image from puffin31939, with three visitors enjoying the view. Their clothing matches the overcast day well, and the horizon is at a much more appropriate height. A great match between the platform and the view, too, making it blend in seamlessly. A Christmas Grinch from Darren, looking out of the opening of a cave through his own miniature telescope... at least, I'm reading it as a cave. An interesting formation of the entrance, there. Is it Christmas already? Do we need to think about putting the decorations up? An extraordinary parable from srawland, on "Why ballet, heights and extreme wealth don't mix" - and there, indeed, is a hapless dancer plunging over the side of the railing. I prefer the second entry - better contrast all round, and the lowering of the blur on the falling dancer makes more sense of her. I can't imagine what prompted this one, Sara! But what a novel approach to the problem. A Star Wars-inspired entry from shaneworth71, with both a stormtrooper and R2D2 ignoring the approaching Millennium Falcon (and I hope I've got all these right, I'm sure someone will correct me if not). Some great colours here, Shane, but I'm not sure about the position of the stormtrooper: he seems much too low in the scene, and too small given his proximity to the camera. I like the animated version - very nicely achieved! But DavidMac is right: host it off-site, and you can increase the image size. A fine mountain view from Deborah Morley, with a group of people admiring the scenery. It all seems to work very well to me - what are you not sure about, Deborah? A night shot from Wörn, with a lit-up pub attracting an interesting range of clientele. It's hard to make out the figure in the foreground, but it does make me thing: what sort of hotel provides a telescope for passers-by to peer into its bedrooms? A new member this week, and Min has given us a fine view over a seashore, complete with distant boat. I like the subtle blending of tones that makes the view match the balcony, but I do wonder about the logic of placing a viewing platform at ground level! Also, do watch out for stray Eraser errors: there's a circular chunk of wall missing, just to the left of the front telescope. Otherwise a strong first entry - welcome to the Forum, Margaret. An apocalyptic vision from brewell - is that the Second Coming arising out of the volcano? I like the way Emmett's dad neatly hides the issue of making Emmett stand on the platform. But given they're both in the same scene, and presumably from the same family, shouldn't they be more or less the same colour? A rather fine postcard from Artwel, with HotChiPs lettering holding it presumably magnetically to (again presumably) a fridge door. Nice curling at the edges - and I really like the figure peering over the edge. ____________________________ There seems to have been some confusion as to the correct height for the horizon this week, with a lot of variation in your posts. So how do we work it out? It seems at first glance as if the horizon could go anywhere: 
But let's bring our standard principles to bear. That railing is, we can safely assume, parallel to the ground. That means we can trace its vanishing lines back, and where they cross we can draw our horizon: 
And, indeed, when we put our horizon there, it makes sense of the rest of the scene: 
Not convinced? Then let's put a figure in the scene, at an appropriate height so that he has to stoop just a little to look through the telescope. As you'd expect, his eyeline is right on that horizon: 
Simple! |
Posted on 05/12/14 09:45:47 AM |
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Nick Curtain
Model Master Posts: 1768 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Hi Steve I looked at the horizon after posting the image and thought 'you total nincompoop Curtain' for making such a basic mistake. Nick |
Posted on 05/12/14 10:03:15 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3124 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks, Steve. Yes, as you know, your photo was taken from Mirador del Rio (Google it folks) and that is La Graciosa Island. |
Posted on 05/12/14 10:40:36 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5777 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Nothing personal intended Steve.
Oh dear me yes! How right you are. Even without tracing converging parallels the basic cameraman's 'horizon is always at lens height' should have told me that. I am duly chastened .....  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/12/14 11:43:12 AM |
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puffin31939
Montage Mariner Posts: 383 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks, Steve. I spent ages moving the horizon up and down before opting for that position. Never thought of using the handrail to find the horizon! The background photo was taken on Lanzarote - through a coach window on a drive from the Fire Mountain _________________ Man cannot change the direction of the wind but he can adjust the sails |
Posted on 05/12/14 1:18:20 PM |
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Frank
Eager Beaver Posts: 1769 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks Steve -- believe it or not - yesterday I thought Fri challenge coming up and thought about last weeks -- for some unknown reason "eyeline on the horizon " popped into my head and I thought too late now. One needs to make a checklist I guess. |
Posted on 05/12/14 2:27:49 PM |
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srawland
Pixel Perfectionist Posts: 885 Reply |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thank you, Steve, for your critique.
Many times what prompts me is the images of the people and what they are doing, and the thought, "What would be weird?" In this case, I had originally wanted to put a wedding on the balcony. I needed some audience members and that's when I found the clappers. "What would be weird?" lead me to the scene I created. Actually, I take this back. It was more than just "What would be weird?" This image really expresses my feelings about people who feel, because of an accident of their birth, they deserve special privileges. It's not just the wealthy or the aristocracy. I have a problem with anyone who feels entitled or that somehow he or she is better than other people. We all come into the world in the same way and we all die in the end. No one escapes. _________________ I'm still learning. |
Posted on 05/12/14 2:49:34 PM |
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Emy
Composition Chef Posts: 390 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Steve:"..A clever close-up of the telescope and railing from Emy, which allows room for a much larger landscape shot. And a very fine view it is, over the harbour. Is that really Lanzarote? It could well be, given the narrowness of the land - I like the fact that we can see the sea on the far side as well. ... Yes, Steve, is Lanzarote. Thank you for the critique. _________________ Why not! |
Posted on 05/12/14 4:14:06 PM |
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Min
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Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks for the welcome folks :-) How embarrassing Steve - I obviously miss-clicked with a hard brush on the stones and never even noticed! I also should have worked out the horizon - would have got all the sail of the model in if I had. Min |
Posted on 05/12/14 5:34:03 PM |
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Eva Roth
Luminous Liberator Posts: 269 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks for your comments, Steve! As for the link, it works fine and links to the right image. I always try out if my weblinks work. Well, most of the time. It seems to link to your initial file, but after 5 seconds the mist starts to fade away. Maybe someone watched it long enough. I calculated the horizon exactly as you suggested, with the help of the railing. However, seeing all the other entries I find mine rather dull! I should have had some creature emerge from the fog... |
Posted on 05/12/14 6:05:10 PM |
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GKB
Magical Montagist Posts: 4033 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 533: A different point of view
Thanks Steve _________________ If at first you don't succeed then skydiving is not for you. |
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