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Posted on 20/03/11 9:31:14 PM |
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Luis
Six-String Synthesist Posts: 236 Reply  |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Angela, your brick wall looks great. Glad I could help. Luis |
Posted on 21/03/11 08:29:54 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Luis, thanks for your help on this one. Angela, I still don't see why you were having trouble with the instructions in the book... if it's not clear, I need to know why so I can fix it in any future editions! What was the problem here? Was it not knowing which layer you should be working on? Part of the problem could be that you end up with three different versions of the brick texture. There's the one created in steps 1-3, which is pure black and white and has the Glass filter applied. Then there's the version you have after step 5, which has the noise and blur added. Then there's the third version, which starts with a plain white layer and has the Lighting Effects filter applied to it. It could be that I'm not clear on the fact that while you select bricks and cement on the original layer, you're actually working on the third, post-Lighting Effects layer. Was this not clear? Steve |
Posted on 21/03/11 10:25:56 PM |
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puffin31939
Montage Mariner Posts: 383 Reply  |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Steve It seemed to be the lighting effect that was the problem. I followed the info in the book but when I changed the colour with colour balance I just got the pink bricks as in my first screen shot. Luis' idea of changing the blend mode and opacity seems to have made the difference. However I intend to work through the instructions from the beginning again as I did fiddle about with things when it didn't go right. I will note exactly where I had the problem and report back. I'm a bit busy at the moment (and the sailing season has just started so I loose my Sunday time on Photoshop) so I may not get it done for a few days. _________________ Man cannot change the direction of the wind but he can adjust the sails |
Posted on 24/04/11 7:08:09 PM |
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Emvee
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Hi Steve, I have the same problem. As I follow the instructions in step six, the result is far different from the image in step 7. After color balance, all I get is prink bricks and pink cement. Thanks Meenal |
Posted on 09/05/11 2:15:29 PM |
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puffin31939
Montage Mariner Posts: 383 Reply |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Steve I have had another go at the bricks - starting from scratch. I find the problem is at Step 6. As suggested by Luis changing the Blend Mode seems to produce correctly coloured bricks. In the attached example I used Vivid light. Emvee - Try changing the Blend mode after applying the Lighting effect. I am using CS5. I believe Luis has PS7 so it looks as if this method will work for most versions of PS  _________________ Man cannot change the direction of the wind but he can adjust the sails |
Posted on 26/05/11 11:04:24 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Dear anyone please help me as I am at the end of my tether! Sorry Steve but the instructions for this are really poor. Everything is fine until step six then it's just a mess. To start with: Why does everything go red when I copy the texture into a new channel...is it meant to? When I use the lighting I don't get any of those shadows I am seeing on everyone else's Color Balance doesn't seem to work it just gives me a dark red colour not the brick red I see in the book. Unsharp mask only goes up to 250?? How does the black and white layer come back into it? Doesn't seem to do anything. I am not stupid and I can work my way around photoshop but I have found this a highly demotivating and frustrating piece of work. I am disappointed I have been unable to achieve it. 
Steve may I suggest giving it extra space in the next edition and going through step by step with no gaps? It's one thing to get stuck further on in the book but this is only chapter one, makes me feel like I have had to give up before I have started! I really hope to hear from someone with some help. |
Posted on 27/05/11 06:56:30 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Wren, Sorry you're having so much trouble with this. I'll rewrite the section on making bricks and I'll upload it here - just give me a little while to prepare it. Steve |
Posted on 27/05/11 09:55:48 AM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Thanks a million Steve. I look forward to it.  |
Posted on 27/05/11 11:21:15 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
The brick problemOK, I think I've cracked this one. The problem arose because I tried to fit the whole tutorial into a single double page spread, when clearly it needed more space. Here's a revised version of the tutorial, reworked with more steps. The steps are numbered to follow those in the book, with additional points inserted as required. The layout is very basic because I haven't had time to do a proper layout yet! You can download it here. |
Posted on 27/05/11 3:39:01 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Hi Steve, Definitely much better! Only thing is that 6.10 is not what I am getting and I am still confused as to why. I have attached my settings and results. I have played around with it a lot but I don't understand why my bricks still look so flat. What has made things slightly better is reducing the amount of noise at step 5 (it might be useful to say how much you used, I have found less is more). In your picture, there is a light-bulb clicked that appears to be clicked in, mine doesn't do this. I am not sure if this is why. Thanks again. [Attachment: screen_dump_greywash_2pic.pdf (95.82kb)] |
Posted on 27/05/11 5:07:16 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Wren, Glad that helped. Hard to see why your final image looks so dull, though. Did you apply the Lighting Effects filter to a plain white layer? |
Posted on 27/05/11 5:18:10 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Yes, I did and even adjusted opacity which has no positive effect either. I am trying again now but with smaller bricks and I am hoping it will work out. I am still fiddling and I will let you know how I get on. Seeing the extra images of the Lighting Effects dialogue box was definitely a turning point though, so thanks. |
Posted on 27/05/11 9:45:18 PM |
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greywidget
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Hi Steve, Thanks for re-working this one. I originally got something reasonable after some kind suggestions by Deborah, but using a slightly different technique. I followed your new instructions and had no problem with them. My final results are still not quite right but I think that's partly my lack of practice and possibly some differences between CS5 and my old version (CS1 - no upgrade path /sigh) Thanks for taking the time to clarify this, I really appreciate it. regards, Craig |
Posted on 27/05/11 9:52:23 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Actually Steve I am in CS4, is that something to do with it? Is there a setting that is maybe a bit different in CS5? Thanks |
Posted on 28/05/11 12:01:49 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Steve, I am still hacking away at this. I think I see the problem now. This is something that is specific to CS4. I tried to follow your instructions in the first instance but can't quite see how they fit in. I duplicated the layer, added clouds to the mask but if I do that I can't see the clouds and if I add the clouds first then the mask I can't see the bricks. I know this has been going on for a while but can I ask you to just go through it once more for me. It would be really helpful if you incorporated "CS4 instructions" you gave at the start of the forum in with the PDF you sent. I would be so happy to be able to crack this once and for all. I notice that no one else is using CS4 here, which probably explains why their problems have been solved! Again I appreciate your help. |
Posted on 28/05/11 2:42:44 PM |
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Deborah Morley
Makeover Magician Posts: 1319 Reply  |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Hello Wren, I don't know if you have got there yet. But one thing, you run the clouds filter on your duplicated black and white layer. Not a new layer, then if you follow the instructions it should work. I tried doing the cloud filter on a new layer and the bricks were flat, so that could be the problem. I am posting some shots - the brickwork is too strong now but that can easily be remedied. Hope this helps.  |
Posted on 28/05/11 2:55:26 PM |
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Jota120
Ingenious Inventor Posts: 2615 Reply  |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Wren, Fyi Steve does not normally comment to the forum over the weekend. Family time. In the steps Steve covers, I am quite sure no change from CS4 to CS5, indeed I am sure can do back to PS7, albeit some changes to small parts of User Interface. I'll try to give it a go and some further comments later, when if get some time tomorrow, or someone else from the forum of course. I created the bricks following Steve's steps, and was ok for me in. Of course I change them a bit and extended re personal choice. If you can provide some of your screen shots to the forum its proven to help. Trevor PS Oops this overlapped with Deborah's |
Posted on 28/05/11 5:17:23 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Hi Trevor, Thanks for commenting and letting me know, I wasn't expecting a reply until Monday truth be told. Steve gives some instructions in his very first post on this thread to CS4 users. I am a CS4 user and it would appear that there is an issue with this that is specific to CS4 users. So far everyone who has responded here isn't using CS4. I did post a picture earlier of what I get but I will post one again for you here. Each version of CS is slightly different, for example I was looking for the "Extract" command in CS4 and thought something was wrong with my copy but it's just not in CS4 for some weird reason. Just to make it clear: I have followed EVERY instruction up to 6 SEVERAL times and in several different ways but the lighting effects just doesn't give my bricks the depth like Steve's and Deborah's get. I look forward to hearing from you again and really thank you and everyone who has responded for their help. [Attachment: screen_dump_greywash.pdf (69.55kb)] |
Posted on 29/05/11 10:08:46 AM |
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Deborah Morley
Makeover Magician Posts: 1319 Reply |
Re: Problem with rendering bricks
Right, I think I know what the problem is and it's not CS4 (of course, I have been known to be wrong before)! I don't know what size your image is but I think the problem is not enough Gaussian Blur in step 3. Try copying this a few times with different amounts of blur, then going through the steps to get to lighting effects with each one, and see the different effect you get. Let us know. |
Posted on 29/05/11 4:00:00 PM |
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Wren
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Re: Problem with rendering bricks
OMG OMG OMG!!!  Deborah you genius!! Thank you!! I just ramped up the gaussian to 10 and look what happened! Oh man! Look I am welling up I am so happy ----> 
Thank you EVERYONE for helping me...although don't get too comfortable...I haven't done step 7 yet lol! Seriously though, Steve it might be something to note as a "troubleshoot point" I know you said 1 pixel but mine needed more. It's been a really useful learning curve, thank you all again. |
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